After a two year stint at NDTV Convergence, CEO Sanjay Trehan has put in this papers, Exchange4Media reported earlier today. Trehan had joined the company from Indiatimes, where he had been VP (Broadband). We had spoken then about his plans for the NDTV Convergence, and this seemed to be as good an opportunity as any to get a sense of the work that has been done – both terms of products, and financial performance. We also asked him how his first year at Convergence was different from the second.
Trehan told us of two new developments at NDTV Convergence: the NDTV.com site has been revamped, and they are now streaming NDTV Profit online during market hours. He also shared inputs on revenues for NDTV Active, and Convergence as a whole. Excerpts from the interview:
Who will take over from you at NDTV Convergence?
Trehan: I have no information on NDTV plans to do. I put in my papers only yesterday.
Will you be moving to a standalone Internet company, or to an Internet company associated with a media company? There are two names doing the rounds right now…
Trehan: I am going to a brand where…it’s a brand that one will be proud of. Due to a non disclosure agreement, I am not at the liberty to disclose. It’s a brand where one has the opportunity to make a significant and disproportionate difference.
You’ve spent the last two years building products at NDTV Convergence – Active, Khabar, among others. After having put products into place, wouldn’t you have liked to stay on to see the fulfillment on the revenue side?
Trehan: Last night we launched the new NDTV.com, and I’m enthused about the fact that was the last of my unfinished agendas. It’s a nice feeling to leave on a high when my mandate to incubate and launch various products has been completed. We’ve been working on this for the last 6 months. The site has been developed in collaboration with NBCU (Ed: NBC Universal has around 26% in NDTV Networks PLC, the parent company of NDTV Convergence). We have some interesting features and functionalities – the site has a liquid design, which means you can move the modules around. We’ve launched an interactive video wall.
There’s a lot of implicit personalization and contextual linking of stories on the site. This is the first step before we move to our ultimate destination of the semantic web space. So some semantic web elements have been incorporated. We have also used innovative iconography, inspired by Apple design. Last night we also made available the live transmission of NDTV Profit as a channel on the web. This is the third channel that we have made available live, between market hours – from 9:30am to 4pm. This is ad supported, and free of cost. In a nutshell, it has been a positive and enriching experience.
So wouldn’t you have liked to stay on to see the fulfillment on the revenue side?
Trehan: Lets talk about NDTV Active – it has already become profitable. We were doing Rs. 70,000 per month revenue six months ago. Now we’re touching around Rs. 5 lakhs. The page views that I’m serving are close to 4 million on NDTV Active. In a philosophical way, I would have liked to take these products to the logical evolution, but one has to look at…the complete picture and not one part of the picture.
The information that we have on the companys performance is related only to your first year there – the turnover was Rs. 4.9 crores for 2007-08, and a 5 crore loss…
The turnover has increased by around 100%. It’s only been a short stint of two years, and we’ve also managed to create 10-12 products, and hardly burnt any cash.
Is the company in the black?
Not yet, but at the current traction, the company is well poised to be EBITDA positive.
We’ve also heard about significant cost rationalizations over the past few months..
That is across the media, but there have been no job losses at Convergence as of now. We are in the process of realigning certain SBUs.
When you had joined, we had discussed the fact that NDTV properties were fragmented. Some properties like Music, Cooks, Doctor still remain…
What you’re seeing at NDTV.com today is step one of the revamp. In the next three to four months, you will see all these properties you’ve mentioned, collapsing and converging under a holistic lifestyle and entertainment banner. We are collapsing NDTV into five strategic verticals, and NDTV.com will be the mother ship.
How does Tubaah fit into this?
Tubaah is a product concieved as a video content aggregator – and it will be harnessing non-NDTV content. It’s a standalone brand. The brands that we will be building are – NDTV.com, NDTVKhabar.com, NDTVProfit.com, Tubaah and NDTV Active. The smaller verticals will fall into lifestyle and news. Convergence will also be managing the channel properties of the group – NDTV Good Times, Imagine, Metronation and Arabia.
You were are Convergence for 2 years. How would you compare the first year with the second?
When I came in, there was no office and no team. I would like to think that I was like an architect, doing the groundwork, preparing the foundation in the first year. The second year has been very exciting because we were working according to a specific gameplan. We had prepared the blueprint when I came in. Each of the milestones were clearly articulated – I wanted to get into the Hindi video space, the video aggregation, mobile WAP space. I want to convert NDTV.com from a news vertical to a gateway. The last 12 months have been very fulfilling.
(Updates: changed photo; Closed Comments; Moderated some potentially defamatory anonymous comments on request)














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nikhil, which are the two companies…
did you mean indiatimes and msn?
also, does the picture in the article is intended to suggest that salil kumar is going to replace Trehan?
One is Indiatimes. The other…in fact, the other two…can't quite disclose because it's not very obvious, and we're trying to confirm them.
Nope, the picture isn't intended to indicate that Salil Kumar is going to replace Trehan.
Am replacing the image, in order to avoid any confusion
Hmmm. NDTV active doing 'close to 5 lacs' on 4 million PV's probably indicates a cpm of under 100 . Much lesser than the figures of Rs 300 etc that are thrown around by smaller mobile firms. So clearly, something is not quite adding up for mobile advertising.
And I would take claims of ebitda+ with a pinch of salt. At this stage, at least in large media owned models, all costs like rentals etc are not shared proportionately with the online arms, to give the latter some breathing space.
HT
This is the fundamental problem in the Indian web space. Doing 5L a month or even 10 Cr a year is considered a "success" for a major media company. The fellow leaves and is rewarded with a "bigger" assignment. In China, probably 5-10 web companies do more that $100M (500 Cr!!) in revenue.
I would tend to disagree with your last comment on the cost sharing. I think NDTV is a role model in terms of corporate governace and have always maintained highest degree of transparency…There is no reason to believe that cost apportionment iscan be improper..
4 million page views……. I doubt… As per the statistics its coming somewhere close to 46,000 and not 40 Lacs
To me the numbers for NDTVActive seem much cooler than what i thought. 5 lakh monthly ad revenue (if they are making it) for a niche wap portal seems much larger than the money other top wap publishers are realising. Are they putting spillover web ad revenue on wap ? Is there a way to ratify this Nikhil ?
5 lakhs a month on wap….in India…ki** my a**.
Affle sells it for them at Rs. 50 CPM..wonder what it gives to NDTV.
Mobile advertising su**s in India..well then so does online. Its time for all newswallahs to form a cartel , start charging on fixed instead of CPM and boost rates by 500%.
I'm sure the agencies won't mind and neither would advertisers (well unless we're talking of aslistocktips.com)
Why does he keep moving so fast. Who is hiring him with such record? A top guy moving places after 2-3 years is stupid for any "big" brand or small company equally.
Guys, I have used Active and it’s a super product. Dunno about the 4 m PVs and 5 lac bit, but these days you are getting a CPM of 200 plus. Possible methinks. And let’s not throw mud on a doer.
Nikhil;
What about Viren Popley (of star)
Where has he joined finally.
A cartel on the web? Don't think that's going to happen anytime soon. It's a game of blink
Good question. He does not intend to move so fast but people who hire him make him move so fast. That's his record.
I am sorry to hit the nail… but we had enough of these "Delhi Internet Mafia" gang… ( Minus the profit making companies )
When will the CEOs of Indian Internet companies stop acting /talking /working like a product manager ?…damn it…
You are spoiling it Nikhil… be responsibile and ask business questions to these guys .. CEO is a P&L responsibility boss.
He should be saying… I've build X revenue and took the company to Y situation in HT and then I did A,B,C and D here that helped NDTV Convergance to reach Z revenue. The company moved to G position in the past 2 years.
This guy is reading out his product team's achievements… :X
About our line of questioning and P&L: point taken. We did ask about revenues and profitability. Do bear in mind that at times execs are reticent to talk about revenues, especially if it is a listed company, and they need to be aware of what has been disclosed to the market and what has not.
Hey guys…what is this? Don't you think you are being a little unfair to Sanjay? Who are we to judge anyone's career moves, especially when we are not privy to the exact circumstances which may have prompted the same. If we wish to be really objective, let us judge him by the products he's launched…look at the new NDTV.com site for example. It simply rocks! The look is international and the functionalities are cutting-edge. Even the load time is fantastic. The site just zips. I am sure any man behind this kind of product is a prize catch for wherever he is going. And no company, "big or small" can afford to demonstrate stupidity in their hiring in these troubled times. If they have hired Sanjay, I am sure they think he's worth it. So just let's go easy on the vitriol…
I completely agree with Akash. If Sanjay is not worth or whatever crap everybody is writing, then why the companies hiring him that too on a higher level. Anyway I know people who has worked with him and according to them he is a very good boss and protects his team and his team is attached to him because of the professionalism which he (sanjay) brings to the table. I may be wrong but it will be fair to give the guy his due for whatever he has done for NDTV.com (the world class product.)
It is easy to write a comment than building a revenue stream or churning real revenues for any internet company. Unfortunately, Most Indian Internet companies are still in Product stage, Sanjay is no exception.
I, though do agree to the point being made here. Perhaps the CEOs are being paid that salaries to make the transition from Product to Revenue. But again, 2 years is not a sufficient enough period.
The numbers will not match cause we are not seeing the full picture, however Buddy you seem to know your maths, but not the business. Guess we are forgetting other revenue streams that are not being mentioned here.
Yes the numbers are really cool. Hope they are correct. Will be best for the industry and the organisations. Let us wait and see the results. Numbers speak for themselves
The comments about this dude's departure are some of the most entertaining by far. Thank you Sanjay for all the good times (I take it there were some) and we look forward to your next move and an equally stimulating discussion.
Alok,
Revenue is not a single indicator. Market penetration, Market share, Build an X category and that gives y% of the total revenue etc are some of the key parameters that these guys should be talking. I see a similarity in the gyans of all ex-indiatimes guys. They just dont talk about business but "launched this feature" , "revamped this section" , "launched a new service"
Many new initiatives go kaput because there is no serious effort from the Topguy to build a "business" . Hence the whole of Internet Industry in India is still perceived to be "shaky" . Thats one reason why you are me dont get a housing loan from SBI :-P