Much was expected from the Rediff.com this quarter – as the leading online media site in India, and with around 75% of its India Online revenues dependent on the Advertising – we logged on to Rediff’s earnings call for inputs on spread of the Advertising drought:
Data
– India Online Revenues: $4.04 million (72%) from Advertising , $1.58 million (28%) from Fee based services.
– Advertising revenue split: Financial Services – 15%, Jobs – 15% and Travel – 10%, account for a total of 40%
– 70% of revenue is from display based ads (CPM), and 25% from performance based ads.
– Registered user base of 72 million. Unique userbase grew by 8.4% (Comscore)
– 261 companies advertised with Rediff in Q2, up from 257 in Q1.
Q&A (thanks to @mixdev, @codelust, @ranjanv and Shashikant for their questions)
Online Advertising Scenario
– India Online advertising, which accounted for around 72 percent of revenues this quarter, was down from 75% last quarter, though “on a blended basis, the average yield and average price have not changed.”
– “There’s been no substantial change as compared to Yahoo or Google. We believe they’ve had a similar experience in the market.”
– Financial Services used to spend with Rediff for acquiring Credit Card and Housing Loans, and had contracted the most, but are improving – they’re looking to advertise to get people to deposit money again. Travel portals have cut back sharply, because commissions for them have been slashed. Job sites, which accounted for 15%, are down as well, because of their dependence in IT services for recruitment.
Display Ads over the next 3-6 months?
We don’t give any guidance. But only 3-4 sectors have been affected over the last 45 days. It depends on how quickly they regroup. The airline companies need customers to grow – I think they’ll get back, it’s just a question of when.
Display getting preference over pay-for-performance?
It’s an over-arching trend throughout the world – there’s a move towards more and more performance based advertising. There’s search driven by e-commerce sites, and there is the general pay-per-click on non-search, which the Online companies do. At the same time, the offline advertising crowd that accounts for 60 percent of our revenues do not normally do ppc. For example, Hindustan Lever can’t do much with clicks, because they have a brand site. I think display will be 50-60% for quite some time.
Impact of (Web18’s) In.com?
“We’ve had zero impact of In.com. Comscore shows Moneycontrol is declining. Moneywiz has roughly twice the user base of Moneycontrol, according to Comscore.” – Ajit Balakrishnan, CEO of Rediff.com
Delaying Projects
Ajit Balakrishnan used the word “re-prioritising”, but “delaying” works as well – Rediff plans to cut expenses to achieve an OPEX (Operational Expenditure) decline of 8-15 in the current quarter, by delaying the development of certain projects for which they had external contracts for developing some parts of their infrastructure. Projects have been placed on the back-burner by 6 months to a year.
Focus on Fee based/Premium services?
With advertising drying up, we asked Balakrishnan if Rediff plans to focus more of Fee based users, or add premium services to their financial portal MoneyWiz. His response:
Fee based services are essentially utility services, which people don’t have a discretion to cut. “As a media entity, Advertising will continue to remain important. The mix of customers is changing. MoneyWiz is the industry leader, above Yahoo Finance and Moneycontrol. However, the advertising revenue from MoneyWiz is relatively meager – and it’s ironic that by the time it became successful, the finance sector began declining. But we’ll pursue it. It’s a big part of our growth. We keep thinking about paid services, but apart from WSJ, no one has really succeeded. I must point out that Rupert Murdoch had forecast that the dependence on advertising would decline, and more and more people would charge subscription. They’ve had a great success with the WSJ.”
Ishare – Content Deals
Rediff had signed a number of content deals with media companies for their video sharing platform iShare. We asked Balakrishnan about whether they intend to renew these deals, given the downturn in advertising, and that some are up for renewal.
“No, I’m not aware of any deals that are going to expire soon, certainly not in this quarter. The reason we’re doing deals and sometimes paying money for the content is that the DMCA is not applicable in India, and users can upload copyrighted content. So we need the goodwill of the copyright owner. The world hasn’t figured out a way to get advertising on the video platform that is commensurate with its reach, but we’re almost as big as YouTube in India. One lesson we’ve learned in the online world is that where there are users, the money follows.
Applications – Why the delay?
“There has been a qualification process. We’ve found that younger developers in India are taking longer to qualify themselves, test the code etc. The international developers are finding it a challenge to work this far from us. Recall that Facebook and MySpace are all in their own backyard – most of the applcation developers are in the Bay Area. It’s taking longer than we thought because of distance issues. This is definitely a path that we’re embarking on. We’re starting to push very hard; it’s a priority item and I review it twice a week. We didn’t create our own app because we didn’t want to go into competition with our own developers. We’re testing 2-3 apps for the News applications – it’s an important category for us. ”
Plans for a social networking space?
The platform is being tested, on iShare. Invitation patterns are already in sight. There are two ways of doing social networking – one is pureplay, where people meet other people – which worldover people are getting fatigued with that. The other is build around content, wherein you’ve got a chance to bookmarked what you’ve read. I believe that’s the way it will go. Our effort is to build it into content, and let people do more things with content. That’s what happened with message boards, but there are more sophisticated ways to do it.
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Can any website in India sustain purely based on advertisement business model?
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Rajeev
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Moneywiz? I got no site at this. Knowing your typos, I also tried moneywis, moneywise and moneywize but still no site..
oh! it is moneywiz.in. Should be specified if its not a .com.
I think this company has not been able to monetise is huge lead, mindshare and marketshare effectively..
Rediff CEO, you run your mouth about how Web18’s In.com had ‘zero-impact’ on you. First of all, let me ask Rediff one question, uh…who in the BLUE hell are you? I mean, why would In.com have an impact on you guys? It’s not like you’re innovative – no no no, credit where credit is due, you get the least innovative award right away, big gold trophy, you’re perhaps the least innovative consumer internet company out there. Speaking of least innovative, look at iShare, what a half-assed “me too” effort, hell, the word ‘effort’ sounds like an overstatement now. Your sites make me wonder if it is 1998 or 2008.
The end of the story is that you don’t even matter, so yeah, In.com has had zero-impact on your monkey asses, and it never will, because you simply don’t matter, you’re a nobody, a peon, to Web18, and until you innovate, make your websites look like they’re 2008 era websites, don’t make half assed and ‘me-too’ efforts, until then, forget about Web18, forget about In.com, and take a tall glass of shut up juice, and get down to work.
“The Great One” sounds a lot like Varun Singh, CTO of Web18 … i’ve heard him talk and he done a poor job of disguising his arrogance in the above comment. If you’re so sure, why not use your real name huh?
Rediff’s revenue is bad . Majority of the traffic to new sites were build using rediff. They are the first site that anyone would use to read news. So, as a business Rediff is a hot.
Now they should be ashamed of saying that they could acquire only 261 clients in the quarter. I am assuming that they’ve not acquired more than 10 new clients in this quarter. This is so very typical “Advertising/client servicing” mentality. I think they should look at building an aggressive sales team and NOT a bunch of “collection boys” like in advertising agencies.
While saying so, its also important to mention that ‘In.com” is going to be another decent flop show of Indian Internet Industry. With just one or two month of existance , am sure they wouldn’t be doing a Rupee higher than their combined online revenue prior to aggregating web18 sites under in.com. In.com is also not a pathbreaking product. So whomsoever is that “The Great One”, should try and get a life ..for heaven’s sake.
Whatever Rediff has achieved with 200 employees they have is commendable .
I wasn’t defending In.com nor Web18, and I’d also like to make it crystal clear that I am in no way affiliated with Web18 / Network18 or any other organization. I know I came across as a little harsh and perhaps arrogant in that last comment, and I apologize, but my point is that Rediff is really low on innovation, and whoever said about that 200 employees thing, let me tell you, that is a lame excuse for a company of this size. If you can’t afford to innovate and be at the top of your game, business survival laws can pretty much guarantee your failure – that’s how it goes. You either do it, or you don’t. 200 employees or 20, you are in business just like everyone else, Web18, Indiatimes, etc, and if Web18, which is really just a little ’side-business’ of the Network18 group, can be at the top of their game and at least develop good looking if not successful websites, as someone said about In.com, then I don’t see why Rediff, primarily an internet company, can’t afford to do so, and then actually have the nerve to put down their competitors who are obviously doing better.
So there it goes, and regarding who The Great One is, you’ll definitely know that at TiE 2009. See ya.
Question for Nikhil
1)When u say ‘India Online Revenues: $4.04 million (72%) from Advertising , $1.58 million (28%) from Fee based services’ – are you talking about Rediff’s annual revenues or the revenues of the last quarter ?
2) Basis your estimate what would be online advertising revenues for companies like Rediff, Indiatimes, Yahoo, MSN etc.
Hi Gurpreet,
Rediff splits revenues between two segments – US Publishing (a magazine called India Abroad), and India Online (Rediff.com etc). The figures mentioned above are for the Quarter between July-Sep 2008, not annual.
Yahoo and MSN do not disclose India specific data. George Zach talked about revenues doubling a year or so ago, but as of now, Yahoo is refusing to comment on numbers. We know because we asked them.
Indiatimes – they’re in some kind of a rut now…media planners I’ve spoken to don’t really rate Indiatimes anymore, and look primarily at Rediff and Yahoo. Even AOL appears to have hardly had an impact…but these are early days for AOL.
Thanks Nikhil. So as per this I gather that Rediff’s online ad revenue for last month was 72% of USD 4Mn ~ 14 crores, thus an annual ad revenue of approx 50 crores. Pretty high given that that overall online ad industry is estimated to be 300 crores in India
gurpreet: depends on the exchange rate – at the current exchange rate, $4M is around Rs. 18 cr. Secondly, there are quarter on quarter variations in the advertising business, so wouldn’t be right to extrapolate to a year based on one quarter. About the Rs. 300 crores – is that display or display+search?
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